We talk to historian Harvey J. Kaye about the legacy of the 32nd president of the United States, Franklin D. Roosevelt and the New Deal. Were both its proponents and its detractors right to see it as a form of American socialism?

Harvey J. Kaye is a professor at the University of Wisconsin-Green Bay and the author of The Fight for the Four Freedoms, FDR on Democracy, and Thomas Paine and the Promise of America, among other books.

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  1. I wrote my comment below just before the end. I just had to add this. What a BRILLIANT ending Harvey. Those 2 combined to do a General strike would be something to see. Well done.
    Again, thank you both.

  2. This is an Excellent, excellent, piece of work Cale.
    I would love to see much more of this history during those important years. Harvey is amazing. I hope you both do more together.
    A series. An educational series geared towards high school students and to offer to the elderly community to bring them into the Movement.
    I will watch this many times; I am sure.
    Thank You Both so much

  3. The New Deal takes a lot of flak from the right (to be expected) but I wonder if it we called it "The Third New Deal" instead of "The Green New Deal." If more working class people would be on board with it? I had to explain the GND to a few people and explain that it's really not an environmental program. It is, but in my impression its more of a Third New Deal using the green economy and new green infrastructure as the means to execute a Third New Deal. Don't get me wrong, climate change is an incredibly important issue and we must fight it with all we've got. But I wonder if getting greater buy-in and support for a new New Deal whether its called the Green New Deal or the Third New Deal is better? I think it's more important to win the fight. Again, I think people balk partly at the name. Fossil-fuel workers who see "green" as a death threat. Ultimately if the contents remain the same, but the title changes and its brings in more support I think that would be a good thing.

  4. Great interview. It's important to contextualize the "social fascist" accusation within the context of the split in the second international over the soc dem parties who supported going to war vs ones who opposed war, followed by the SPD in Germany using right wing paramilitaries to suppress a worker's uprising and passing laws targeting both communists and the far right which managed to be applied most heavily to the communists. From the point of view of the third international, soc dem had functionally become a leftwing of reaction, aiding fascists' rise to power by disavowing real revolutionary politics in favor of respectability politics and careerism, by attacking workers uprising using the freikorps, and then trying to criminalize communists.